Podcast Hosts: Steve Nail and Kelly Scheib

Standout Quotes:

“Burnout has a cost” – [Kelly]

“We have leaned our organization out so much that… It’s almost like burnout is almost inevitable to a certain degree” – [Steve]

“Burnout is real, we should take inventory personally on whether or not we’re experiencing it” – [Kelly]

“Create a mentorship program; like how often is burnout associated with your inability to talk to someone about how you’re feeling?” – [Kelly]

Key Takeaways:

  • To combat burnout, LinkedIn gave all their employees a week off with pay. Kelly shares that as good as it sounds, it may not be the solution to job burnout, and extending the time won’t help if they just go back to the rat race.
  • Steve highlights that in France, the whole month of August is taken on vacation, and he personally struggles with just having a week to rest.
  • Professions most at risk of burnout include Emergency Response workers, Lawyers, Sales employees, Social workers, Teachers, Accountants, Bartenders, and Managers. Notably, the majority of these professions involve dealing with people.
  • The cost of Burnout: 63% of people who are burned out are more likely to take a sick day. People who are burned out are 2.6 times more likely to be seeking a different job. 13% of them have lower confidence and performance. 23% of them are more likely to visit the emergency room.
  • From research, a major cause of burnout includes unfair treatment at work. Another is a lack of role clarity where the workers are performing many different duties without knowing which ones truly fall within their job description.
  • Poor communication and support from managers, as well as lack of social support also play a role in causing burnout.
  • How to identify burnout: Have you become cynical or critical at work?  Do you drag yourself to work and have trouble getting started? Are you more irritable to coworkers or family? Do you have a lack of energy? Do you find it extremely hard to concentrate?
  • Steve shares that he tends to experience burnout usually when he senses a lack of control of work-related events or issues.
  • Managers need to be alert to the signs of burnout, so they can take steps when necessary. This includes giving time off, encouragement, rearranging work, easing workload, changing schedules, e. t. c
  • Creating a mentorship program is a key strategy to eliminate job burnout, this is because burnout is often associated with an inability to talk to someone about how you’re feeling. Kelly shares that this should be the topic of the next episode. 

Episode Timeline:

[00:20] The focus of today’s discussion is “Burnout at work”.

[04:14] Kelly highlights professions noted to be most at risk of burnout.

[08:23] The Cost of Job Burnout

[12:27] Discussing the major causes of Job Burnout.

[14:48] Questions to ask yourself if you think you’re experiencing job burnout.

[21:46] How do you deal with job burnout?




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Steve Nail is currently the Dean, College of Business, at Anderson University. He is a labor and employment attorney who began his career with the National Labor Relations Board. Thereafter, he served as Assistant General Counsel for Michelin, including two stints in France, where he worked on the structuring of the European Economic Community and served in the HR and Legal Departments. Later he served as the Vice President of Labor and Employee Relations before moving on to Hubbell where he served as the Vice President of Human Resources. Steve was appointed by Governor Nikki Haley to serve on the SC Healthcare Planning Committee and was reappointed by Governor McMaster in 2018. Steve was named the 2012 South Carolina HR Professional of the Year and awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in 2016, by the Greenville SHRM chapter. He is a frequent speaker, a published author, and mentor to many in the HR profession. He often coaches individuals and consults organizations on strategic matters. He is a Register Corporate Coach, certified by the Worldwide Association of Business Coaches and holds SPHR and SHRM-SCP certifications.